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back in the early 2000s I owned a Saturn, and while that was an all around good car, the 4 cylinder was horrible on the highway. You had to floor it, and pray a semi-truck wasn't barreling down the road behind you. It took far too long to get up to speed.

this is what i was talking about. I looked it up and manufacturers dropped cylinders count and included a turbo because this causes the engine to give similar performance with more fuel efficiency and less co2. So V4-Turbo today matches the power of V6 from yesterday.

the only confusing part for me is if a turbo is such a better choice why have they not implemented it in consumer cars long ago? back in the 90s a turbo was a super car modification usually found high end sports cars.
 
So V4-Turbo today matches the power of V6 from yesterday.
Yeah, basically. I easily get up to speed on the highway, the jeep has incredible pep.
From what I've googled, the Jeep's 0 to 60 mph time is 6 to 8 seconds, while the the Chevy's time is in the same range.
 
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back in the early 2000s I owned a Saturn, and while that was an all around good car, the 4 cylinder was horrible on the highway. You had to floor it, and pray a semi-truck wasn't barreling down the road behind you. It took far too long to get up to speed. Not so with the jeep.
Hmm. I had a '98 SW2 manual. With its lighter weight, I never felt like I had to worry about passing at 80+ mph. We test drove a SW1, and that felt anemic. I never tried their automatics.
 
Last year I convinced my dad to let me get his C4 1990 Corvette running again. He ordered it new from the factory with a build date of 09/1989. It's a convertible with a hardtop and a 6-speed manual, triple black.

He drove it for 8 years and parked it at the end of 1998 and never drove it again. Life happened, was working a lot of hours at Ford and health problems crept up on him and mom over the years. So it sat covered up in the garage for 27 years.

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In the Spring of 2025 I had a local shop come pick up the car and go through it to get it on the road again. New tires, changed most of the hoses, new cap and rotor, alternator, fuel pump assembly, turned the brake rotors, drained the fuel tank from old gas and some other odds and ends. Replaced the mufflers due to rattling from a broken baffle.

I had to replace the entire stereo system because it no longer worked; a common problem on C4's. New head unit, 4 speakers and an amplifier.

Another common C4 problem was the nylon gears in the headlight motors would turn to dust over time. Same happened to this car so I replaced them myself.

I also polished and waxed it last year and it looks great. (Time for another wax now)

Last summer I drove it about 2,000 miles or so and then stored it in the winter. I kept the battery on a tender over the winter and when I'm not using it during the week.

This Spring after getting it out of storage I had some more planned work done to it. Changed some more hoses, flushed the brake system and the cooling system and other odds and ends.

Then I started having trouble with it a few months ago. I drove it to breakfast one morning and it was fine. When I went to leave it would crank but not start. Had to have it towed back home. I didn't have time to look into it for a week or two. When I got back to it it started up just fine. Weird. So I decided to get it back on the road and check out a new shop I found closer to home who deals with older cars, exotic cars and specializes in Corvettes. I never made it there. I got 5 miles and the car just quit and wouldn't restart like before. Had to be towed again.

I wondered if the fuel pump was getting flakey, even though it was replaced last year. I put a fuel pressure gauge on it at the Shrader valve and it was perfect 35-40 psi while cranking. So I ruled that out.

I made my way to the new shop I wanted to check out (using my daily driver of course). Told them the story and the history of the car. A week later they came and picked it up in a covered trailer and brought it to their shop.

After diagnosing it they found that the fuel injector on cylinder #1 was shorting out the ECM and causing it to kill the engine.

So they replaced all the injectors with new ones. While they were there and had the intake off, they replaced the spark plugs, gaskets and found the thermostat was leaking and so replaced that as well. I also had them do a common C4 mod and that is to bypass the coolant passing through the throttle body. This car never drives in the winter or freezing temperatures and I don't need it heating up already hot air going into the intake. Plus it eliminates a few more connections that have the potential to leak. Had them change the oil and grease the fittings too.

The car has just over 47,000 miles on it today. Dad changed the oil, filter and greased it every 1,000 miles. A bit overkill, but it's cheap insurance to keep the engine healthy and reliable for a long time. I'm keeping the same interval now that I own it.

I got the car back from the shop Friday afternoon and since then I've put about 300 miles on it and it's running great again.

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Last year I convinced my dad to let me get his C4 1990 Corvette running again. He ordered it new from the factory with a build date of 09/1989. It's a convertible with a hardtop and a 6-speed manual, triple black.

He drove it for 8 years and parked it at the end of 1998 and never drove it again. Life happened, was working a lot of hours at Ford and health problems crept up on him and mom over the years. So it sat covered up in the garage for 27 years.

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In the Spring of 2025 I had a local shop come pick up the car and go through it to get it on the road again. New tires, changed most of the hoses, new cap and rotor, alternator, fuel pump assembly, turned the brake rotors, drained the fuel tank from old gas and some other odds and ends. Replaced the mufflers due to rattling from a broken baffle.

I had to replace the entire stereo system because it no longer worked; a common problem on C4's. New head unit, 4 speakers and an amplifier.

Another common C4 problem was the nylon gears in the headlight motors would turn to dust over time. Same happened to this car so I replaced them myself.

I also polished and waxed it last year and it looks great. (Time for another wax now)

Last summer I drove it about 2,000 miles or so and then stored it in the winter. I kept the battery on a tender over the winter and when I'm not using it during the week.

This Spring after getting it out of storage I had some more planned work done to it. Changed some more hoses, flushed the brake system and the cooling system and other odds and ends.

Then I started having trouble with it a few months ago. I drove it to breakfast one morning and it was fine. When I went to leave it would crank but not start. Had to have it towed back home. I didn't have time to look into it for a week or two. When I got back to it it started up just fine. Weird. So I decided to get it back on the road and check out a new shop I found closer to home who deals with older cars, exotic cars and specializes in Corvettes. I never made it there. I got 5 miles and the car just quit and wouldn't restart like before. Had to be towed again.

I wondered if the fuel pump was getting flakey, even though it was replaced last year. I put a fuel pressure gauge on it at the Shrader valve and it was perfect 35-40 psi while cranking. So I ruled that out.

I made my way to the new shop I wanted to check out (using my daily driver of course). Told them the story and the history of the car. A week later they came and picked it up in a covered trailer and brought it to their shop.

After diagnosing it they found that the fuel injector on cylinder #1 was shorting out the ECM and causing it to kill the engine.

So they replaced all the injectors with new ones. While they were there and had the intake off, they replaced the spark plugs, gaskets and found the thermostat was leaking and so replaced that as well. I also had them do a common C4 mod and that is to bypass the coolant passing through the throttle body. This car never drives in the winter or freezing temperatures and I don't need it heating up already hot air going into the intake. Plus it eliminates a few more connections that have the potential to leak. Had them change the oil and grease the fittings too.

The car has just over 47,000 miles on it today. Dad changed the oil, filter and greased it every 1,000 miles. A bit overkill, but it's cheap insurance to keep the engine healthy and reliable for a long time. I'm keeping the same interval now that I own it.

I got the car back from the shop Friday afternoon and since then I've put about 300 miles on it and it's running great again.

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Great devotion to your Dad and a classic car.
 
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Randomly went to a car audio competition on the weekend. It's crazy to feel the bass literally rattle your bones and vibrate the floor. These people are completely crazy haha
Bringing back some memories of when I owned my 1983 Buick Riviera and I had those big speakers behind the back seats LMAO. Everyone in the car with your brain vibrating along the rest of your body haha
 
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Question for you car enthusiests - those who still drive internal combustion engines.

For cars in the US, we have a thing called auto stop start where if you stop at a red light, or stop sign, the engine shuts off. It auto starts once you release brake pedal. There's a button on the dash, that you can hit to disable that functionality, but its only for that single time, the next time you start the vehicle up you have to re-do it.

There's a product called the Tazer that allows you to turn it off, It plugs in to the SGW harness and allows you to access features that you normally couldn't - chief among those features is disabling the auto stop start.

I'm curious to know if anyone has done anything like that or is tempted to do that. It seems to be a popular thing for Jeep owners. I see lots of discussions on reddit and also YTs. My wife's Suby has this and I've not come across discussions on disabling it for them.
 
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Question for you car enthusiests - those who still drive internal combustion engines.

For cars in the US, we have a thing called auto stop start where if you stop at a red light, or stop sign, the engine shuts off. It auto starts once you release brake pedal. There's a button on the dash, that you can hit to disable that functionality, but its only for that single time, the next time you start the vehicle up you have to re-do it.

There's a product called the Tazer that allows you to turn it off, It plugs in to the SGW harness and allows you to access features that you normally couldn't - chief among those features is disabling the auto stop start.

I'm curious to know if anyone has done anything like that or is tempted to do that. It seems to be a popular thing for Jeep owners. I see lots of discussions on reddit and also YTs. My wife's Suby has this and I've not come across discussions on disabling it for them.
I know people that hate Auto Stop Start but they never have any valid reasons on why they hate it and are usually the same ones that complain about gas mileage/prices. Any reason you're interested in doing so?

For some context, my wife and I completely skipped that generation(s) of vehicles and went straight to PHEV and EV. I have driven vehicles with it at work as apart of our fleet and just don't see the hate for the functionality.
 
Question for you car enthusiests - those who still drive internal combustion engines.

For cars in the US, we have a thing called auto stop start where if you stop at a red light, or stop sign, the engine shuts off. It auto starts once you release brake pedal. There's a button on the dash, that you can hit to disable that functionality, but its only for that single time, the next time you start the vehicle up you have to re-do it.

There's a product called the Tazer that allows you to turn it off, It plugs in to the SGW harness and allows you to access features that you normally couldn't - chief among those features is disabling the auto stop start.

I'm curious to know if anyone has done anything like that or is tempted to do that. It seems to be a popular thing for Jeep owners. I see lots of discussions on reddit and also YTs. My wife's Suby has this and I've not come across discussions on disabling it for them.
I hate that auto start/stop with a passion. I bought the bypass connector thing for my Lincoln Aviator. It plugged in under the steering column.

So much happier am I now.
 
I know people that hate Auto Stop Start but they never have any valid reasons on why they hate it and are usually the same ones that complain about gas mileage/prices. Any reason you're interested in doing so?
The complaints against the auto stop/start is that its adds a lot of wear and tear on the starter, and in the Jeeps case, it uses an auxiliary battery that is charged from the main battery - that aux battery has a short life and when it stops taking a charge, it will keep drawing from your main battery(in an attempt to recharge) and you could run into a situation you find yourself stuck somewhere with a dead battery.

I'm not tempted per say, just more curious, I've largely made it a habit to turn off the auto start stop from the dashboard button. The Tazer device cost is like 300 bucks (depending on the model) and truth be told, taking it into a dealership could cause you some headaches if you have it attached when its being serviced - something I'd rather avoid.
 
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This I have that dumb Auto Stop Start on my BMW SUV. I hate it with a passion LOL, I don't want hesitation at all so I have a shortcut in my main display to turn off immediately which only last for that current drive, I can also drive strictly in sport mode and it deactivates, I didn't get a V8 to worry about gas prices but if others that have the same vehicle, wish to try to squeeze out more efficiency. More power to them, or in this case less power to them LOL
 
This I have that dumb Auto Stop Start on my BMW SUV. I hate it with a passion LOL, I don't want hesitation at all so I have a shortcut in my main display to turn off immediately which only last for that current drive, I can also drive strictly in sport mode and it deactivates
Same in my 3-series (M340i)... when the engine shuts off at a stop sign, the A/C compressor stops, so the interior starts getting hot in a few seconds. Hate it.

I use the Sport Individual setting with all the sport options disabled, so it operates like Comfort mode but with start/stop disabled. I am so used to it now, I just automatically hit the Sport Individual button after starting the car (the buttons are right next to each other).

I had a 5-series a few years ago where I used the iPhone app BimmerCode to code start/stop to stay deactivated all the time. The app connects to the car via an OBDII adaptor.
 
Same in my 3-series (M340i)... when the engine shuts off at a stop sign, the A/C compressor stops, so the interior starts getting hot in a few seconds. Hate it.

I use the Sport Individual setting with all the sport options disabled, so it operates like Comfort mode but with start/stop disabled. I am so used to it now, I just automatically hit the Sport Individual button after starting the car (the buttons are right next to each other).

I had a 5-series a few years ago where I used the iPhone app BimmerCode to code start/stop to stay deactivated all the time. The app connects to the car via an OBDII adaptor.

Unfortunately on my M60 if I set it to Sport Individual with setting drivetrain in Comfort it's stays active, only if I drive all SPORT it deactivates.
 
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The complaints against the auto stop/start is that its adds a lot of wear and tear on the starter, and in the Jeeps case, it uses an auxiliary battery that is charged from the main battery - that aux battery has a short life and when it stops taking a charge, it will keep drawing from your main battery(in an attempt to recharge) and you could run into a situation you find yourself stuck somewhere with a dead battery.

I'm not tempted per se, just more curious, I've largely made it a habit to turn off the auto start stop from the dashboard button. The Tazer device cost is like 300 bucks (depending on the model) and truth be told, taking it into a dealership could cause you some headaches if you have it attached when its being serviced - something I'd rather avoid.
From what I’ve read, and maybe it’s a model specific problem, the wear is a non-issue. They generally last as long as non-start/stop models.

This I have that dumb Auto Stop Start on my BMW SUV. I hate it with a passion LOL, I don't want hesitation at all so I have a shortcut in my main display to turn off immediately which only last for that current drive, I can also drive strictly in sport mode and it deactivates, I didn't get a V8 to worry about gas prices but if others that have the same vehicle, wish to try to squeeze out more efficiency. More power to them, or in this case less power to them LOL
I mitigate this by take my foot off the brake before I want to move, but that’s just me. The ones I’ve driven don’t stop the AC, seems like a design flaw, and I get why you’d hate that.

As an EV driver, I find all gas vehicles to hesitate (transmissions/gearing are just going to). There really isn’t anything like the pure instant and constant torque of electric. And, yes, I’m aware that’s insufferable. It really is a, once you go EV you can’t go back, mentality though.
 
From what I’ve read, and maybe it’s a model specific problem, the wear is a non-issue. They generally last as long as non-start/stop models.


I mitigate this by take my foot off the brake before I want to move, but that’s just me. The ones I’ve driven don’t stop the AC, seems like a design flaw, and I get why you’d hate that.

As an EV driver, I find all gas vehicles to hesitate (transmissions are just going to). There really isn’t anything like the pure instant and constant torque of electric. And, yes, I’m aware that’s insufferable. It really is a, once you go EV you can’t go back, mentality though.

I have the HOLD option so I don't have to stay on the break and just hit gas but I don't want my truck stopped at any time while on a drive especially with all the lights and traffic locally.
 
@QuarterSwede My friends are always in amazement that I've not gone to EV way yet LOL since they know I'm into all the new tech and stuff. But I'm hopefully holding on to my current vehicle for the next 4 years and then later on down the road we shall see if I jump in
 
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Yeah... I looked it up for my car and you cannot disable start/stop directly any longer. You can code it to default to Sport Individual, and that turns off start/stop.
Yep exactly. It's not worth it, I mean I can't even go into sport individual to turn it off LMAO. So for me it's even worse and for you it's easy to just hit the individual button. Haha
 
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My old Golf had the start stop feature. But if you had the AC on, it would not kick in.
But personally I thought it was a good idea.

But now we are a full EV family so no starter motor to worry about (or gearbox, oil changes, exhaust, spark plugs etc.) 😀
 
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